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danc

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We'll after about 1 month skating on new Vapor XXXXs, I just couldn't do anything to stop my heel lift. I loved the skates otherwise but my LHS took them back and I now have a $500 credit with them.

I tried on some Graf 704 which had great heel lock but were a little short in length. The store owner told me about some new Grafs coming out (I think he said 737?) that might give me the fit I need as my heel is very thin compared to my foot front. You could say I have duck feet. My previuos skates which I will use in the mean time are Graf 705 that are very comfortable but getting tired after 8 yrs.

Is there any chance the X-60 will have a tighter heel pocket with a better lock or do I need to stick with Grafs. Any other suggestions would be welcomed.

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Have you heard of lock lacing? clicky clicky

I find it definately helps to hold my heal down (do this for both my skates and street shoes). On your skates, use the lock lace just before you start to lace up the ankle.

Only down side I have found using manual lock lacing is that it makes it a bit harder to get your skates really tight.

It is a baindaid method, so hopefully you can find the right skates. It could be useful if you get stuck in the meantime

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So that's what it's called.....

An old coach of mine showed me a method of lacing my skates similar to this years ago. It involved more looping of one lace around the other than is shown in the diagrams here though and it was done twice on each skate so as to divide the skate into three portions which could each be tightened individually. Very effective and possible to get my skates tighter than ever before. Kinda faded out when I got new skates though and at this point I've completely forgotten how to do it.

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Have you heard of lock lacing? clicky clicky

I find it definately helps to hold my heal down (do this for both my skates and street shoes). On your skates, use the lock lace just before you start to lace up the ankle.

Only down side I have found using manual lock lacing is that it makes it a bit harder to get your skates really tight.

It is a baindaid method, so hopefully you can find the right skates. It could be useful if you get stuck in the meantime

Just tried out the high lock and I had no idea my skates could get that tight. I guess i have a new way to lace.

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One of the benefits of my outside-in lacing method(that I've mentioned numerous times) is that if you switch to inside-out, you have an ultra-low cross of laces that is great to help the heel lock in place.

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I created my own modified version of the "lace lock" style lacing that I use along the forefoot of my skate as my forefoot is low volume. after you create the loops, insted of putting the lace underneath and having it come over the top, i put it round over the top so it come out from underneath the loop. At first it looks really messy, but once you get some tension on it, it makes sence. As the lace goes under the loop, when you pull them both tight (is rather fiddely) the loop clamps down on the lace. I had my skate hold a very high tension like that for a few weeks before it needed to be tightened back up a little bit.

(I'll just add I don't adjust the laces below this...)

I also use outside in lacing once as the eyelets curve up so that the low cross is right where my ankle starts to clamp my heel down into place really well.

PS: for extreme tightness across your entire skate, try this, essentially it's the lace lock looping into it's self up along all the eyelets, it does take longer to tie and untie but WOW you can get them tight!!

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That lace lock method sounds pretty neat, I may have to experiment with that one of these days.

To the OP... have you tried on the Supreme One75's? They have a pretty narrow/tight heel which may work for you. I tried the XXXX's and felt like my heel was real sloppy in them regardless what size I tried out, the Supreme One75's were a lot tighter around the heel and really locked it in there well for me (tons better than the One95 and lower end Supremes which all felt too wide as well), might be worth a shor for you to give them a try.

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