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I've been driving for 4 years and I got my first speeding ticket yesterday for going 82 in a 70. The cop just asked for my license and the year of my car. He didn't ask for registration/insurance. Since this was my first ticket I asked my roommate about it and showed him the ticket, he said he didn't see anything about points or anything. Here's some details:
-I have an Illinois driver's license, and I got the ticket in Indiana
-On the ticket, the "Dr. lic. #/ ID #/ SSN #" has the last 8 numbers of my drivers license correct, the first 4 are wrong.
-Also he put yesterday's date for the expiration date of my license. My license doesn't expire until 2013.
-Everything else on the ticket appears to be correct.
Basically off of this information, what are my options here? Also, will this go on my record or impact my insurance? If I choose to go to court, the court is 2 hours away so keep that in mind. I'm wondering if I should call the court and bring up the issue about my drivers license number but I will wait to do that.
Speeding ticket got some questions
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mattyr33 
Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:33 PM
Yes I was. My friend and I saw him in the undercover mustang in one of the no U-turn things on the highway. We even said something about it but we didn't even think about him being undercover. That was like 15 miles before my exit and he turned on the lights a quarter mile before my exit which kind of sucked.
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shotty
Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:34 PM
he said he was going 82 in a 70.
if you take it to court, the judge is going to ask if it was you that was driving, and if you were speeding. you'll say "yes" and he'll tell you to pound sand and quit wasting the court's time. cops fuck up on tickets all the time, but it doesn't make you any less guilty of the offense. just pay it and move on.
i'm not sure how the points system works in your area, but where i live, its 2 points for a minor moving violation and the points penalty system kicks in at three, so essentially you get one "freebie" so to speak.
if you take it to court, the judge is going to ask if it was you that was driving, and if you were speeding. you'll say "yes" and he'll tell you to pound sand and quit wasting the court's time. cops fuck up on tickets all the time, but it doesn't make you any less guilty of the offense. just pay it and move on.
i'm not sure how the points system works in your area, but where i live, its 2 points for a minor moving violation and the points penalty system kicks in at three, so essentially you get one "freebie" so to speak.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:39 PM
A lot of the time, at least around here, if you fight the ticket they'll drop the points and change it to a charge that has no points but costs you 50-70 dollars more.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:40 PM
Those hoosier cops! they are vigilante sometimes! ;) Seriously though last time i went to the LHS in Indianapolis i got my first speeding ticket also. It was about 8 or so months ago i think. Pretty much same as you, they did take license (and my registartion tho), but not insurance card. So that wasnt on the ticket. I got hit at 86 in a 70, so it was like a $116 ticket or somewhere around there i dont remember exactly. I was told i had 90 days to pay or appear. I waited 87 days :D but sent a check. Ive never heard anything from my insurance company, so i dont think anything was ever turned to them. I have checked online with my carrier and nothing appears on my record with them.
Also, and whether this is true or not i have absolutely no idea, but i did question the validity of this. I was told that if you pay $1 more on a ticket, the city/county clerk's office will issue you back a check and until you cash it, they cannot close the case. They cannot submit anything to your insurance until the case is closed. So i did that thinking well its only a buck why not. I received a check back from them for $1. But i have not received anything else regarding my ticket, the fine, or submitting anything to my insurance carrier. I still think it's a myth, but eh, just a buck.
Good luck!
Also, and whether this is true or not i have absolutely no idea, but i did question the validity of this. I was told that if you pay $1 more on a ticket, the city/county clerk's office will issue you back a check and until you cash it, they cannot close the case. They cannot submit anything to your insurance until the case is closed. So i did that thinking well its only a buck why not. I received a check back from them for $1. But i have not received anything else regarding my ticket, the fine, or submitting anything to my insurance carrier. I still think it's a myth, but eh, just a buck.
Good luck!
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:42 PM
mattyr33, on Oct 25 2009, 03:33 PM, said:
Yes I was. My friend and I saw him in the undercover mustang in one of the no U-turn things on the highway. We even said something about it but we didn't even think about him being undercover. That was like 15 miles before my exit and he turned on the lights a quarter mile before my exit which kind of sucked.
Pay the fine then and stop looking for ways of getting out of it. In most cases insurance will give you 18 months between tickets before your policy goes up.
If say you are pulled over for going over 100, your license is suspended for 90 days and your insurance goes into the high risk category until you are 25. Or so I've heard ;)
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 08:02 PM
Race4LastPlace, on Oct 25 2009, 02:40 PM, said:
Those hoosier cops! they are vigilante sometimes! ;) Seriously though last time i went to the LHS in Indianapolis i got my first speeding ticket also. It was about 8 or so months ago i think. Pretty much same as you, they did take license (and my registartion tho), but not insurance card. So that wasnt on the ticket. I got hit at 86 in a 70, so it was like a $116 ticket or somewhere around there i dont remember exactly. I was told i had 90 days to pay or appear. I waited 87 days :D but sent a check. Ive never heard anything from my insurance company, so i dont think anything was ever turned to them. I have checked online with my carrier and nothing appears on my record with them.
Also, and whether this is true or not i have absolutely no idea, but i did question the validity of this. I was told that if you pay $1 more on a ticket, the city/county clerk's office will issue you back a check and until you cash it, they cannot close the case. They cannot submit anything to your insurance until the case is closed. So i did that thinking well its only a buck why not. I received a check back from them for $1. But i have not received anything else regarding my ticket, the fine, or submitting anything to my insurance carrier. I still think it's a myth, but eh, just a buck.
Good luck!
Also, and whether this is true or not i have absolutely no idea, but i did question the validity of this. I was told that if you pay $1 more on a ticket, the city/county clerk's office will issue you back a check and until you cash it, they cannot close the case. They cannot submit anything to your insurance until the case is closed. So i did that thinking well its only a buck why not. I received a check back from them for $1. But i have not received anything else regarding my ticket, the fine, or submitting anything to my insurance carrier. I still think it's a myth, but eh, just a buck.
Good luck!
Snopes claimed that one false a while ago. I think you're just within your insurance limit, Race4.
Mattyr33, if you show up on your court date they may reduce the charge/points. Since you didn't get any points you could save some cash. Can't hurt if you have the time to spend in bureaucratic limbo. If you're missing a day of work or driving across town to attend, is it really worth the time?
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#9
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 08:14 PM
Drewhunz, on Oct 25 2009, 04:42 PM, said:
mattyr33, on Oct 25 2009, 03:33 PM, said:
Yes I was. My friend and I saw him in the undercover mustang in one of the no U-turn things on the highway. We even said something about it but we didn't even think about him being undercover. That was like 15 miles before my exit and he turned on the lights a quarter mile before my exit which kind of sucked.
Pay the fine then and stop looking for ways of getting out of it. In most cases insurance will give you 18 months between tickets before your policy goes up.
If say you are pulled over for going over 100, your license is suspended for 90 days and your insurance goes into the high risk category until you are 25. Or so I've heard ;)
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RecLeagueHero
Posted 25 October 2009 - 11:16 PM
If it's a first ticket you could almost be certain of getting some reduction in the fine. If the cop used pacing to determine you were speeding you could probably get a pretty good discount as courts are generally aware that method is not the most accurate.
As for tickets, like every other legal document they need to be done correctly. You probably aren't going to get out of a speeding fine on a minor technical error, but there certainly are cases where screw up's can and will leave a court unable to enforce a fine on a traffic ticket.
As for tickets, like every other legal document they need to be done correctly. You probably aren't going to get out of a speeding fine on a minor technical error, but there certainly are cases where screw up's can and will leave a court unable to enforce a fine on a traffic ticket.
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Posted 26 October 2009 - 12:26 AM
I few years back I had the worst month and got three tickets. 2 speeding 1 illegal u-turn. Lets just say I learned a lot about traffic law that year.
Regarding points, you need to check with your state law to see if they accept out of state points. Example: New York doesn't take points from out of state and I got one of those tickets in Jersey. If thats the case, Just pay the fine, learn your lesson and walk away.
Regarding mistakes on the ticket. A ticket is technically the officers complaint against you, or something like that. In New York the officer needs to identify you and the car correctly. If the he doesn't, even if he testify's that you were driving "then why did you write that this # was driving?", then "are you sure this person was driving?". By the time you fight the ticket the cop can't positively identify you. He stops so many people, you think he remembers you? Really I suggest you consult a lawyer. You could do it yourself, but with a lawyer it's like 99% win for you.
Even if you were speeding, always fight it. The law gives you the right. Most traffic laws are not created to protect the people as they should but rather to make money for the government. Europe has insanely high speed limits, if there even is a speed limit and they have less crashes than in the states.
Regarding points, you need to check with your state law to see if they accept out of state points. Example: New York doesn't take points from out of state and I got one of those tickets in Jersey. If thats the case, Just pay the fine, learn your lesson and walk away.
Regarding mistakes on the ticket. A ticket is technically the officers complaint against you, or something like that. In New York the officer needs to identify you and the car correctly. If the he doesn't, even if he testify's that you were driving "then why did you write that this # was driving?", then "are you sure this person was driving?". By the time you fight the ticket the cop can't positively identify you. He stops so many people, you think he remembers you? Really I suggest you consult a lawyer. You could do it yourself, but with a lawyer it's like 99% win for you.
Even if you were speeding, always fight it. The law gives you the right. Most traffic laws are not created to protect the people as they should but rather to make money for the government. Europe has insanely high speed limits, if there even is a speed limit and they have less crashes than in the states.
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Posted 26 October 2009 - 09:35 AM
The Mafia Line, on Oct 26 2009, 01:26 AM, said:
Even if you were speeding, always fight it. The law gives you the right. Most traffic laws are not created to protect the people as they should but rather to make money for the government. Europe has insanely high speed limits, if there even is a speed limit and they have less crashes than in the states.
Riiight. Where'd you pull these facts from?
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Posted 26 October 2009 - 10:13 AM
RecLeagueHero, on Oct 26 2009, 12:16 AM, said:
As for tickets, like every other legal document they need to be done correctly. You probably aren't going to get out of a speeding fine on a minor technical error, but there certainly are cases where screw up's can and will leave a court unable to enforce a fine on a traffic ticket.
If you try to fight tickets based on information being wrong they will just re-write the ticket.. really doesn't help to try and argue that...
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Posted 26 October 2009 - 10:21 AM
RecLeagueHero, on Oct 25 2009, 11:16 PM, said:
If it's a first ticket you could almost be certain of getting some reduction in the fine. If the cop used pacing to determine you were speeding you could probably get a pretty good discount as courts are generally aware that method is not the most accurate.
As for tickets, like every other legal document they need to be done correctly. You probably aren't going to get out of a speeding fine on a minor technical error, but there certainly are cases where screw up's can and will leave a court unable to enforce a fine on a traffic ticket.
As for tickets, like every other legal document they need to be done correctly. You probably aren't going to get out of a speeding fine on a minor technical error, but there certainly are cases where screw up's can and will leave a court unable to enforce a fine on a traffic ticket.
Yes. Listen to this guy and give that some thought.
Also in a few states there are circumstances where they have changed the traffic laws so that speeding in some areas are a lesser charge and only a monetary fine is levied and no point accessed. I mean it would be interesting to show the court and judge that perhaps the ticket has some discrepancies and hope for a reduction, but I would not count on that. The judge will just give the officer a glance in slight disdain and you will still be punished. But it will be an experience in the judicial system and crime and punishment. Especially if you name is near the end of the alphabet.
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Posted 26 October 2009 - 11:27 AM
You're not going to get out of the ticket for incorrect numbers on the citation.
You need to:
Find out if there are points
Find out if out of state points are transferable to your state
If either of these are a no, just pay it and move on.
If you can be tagged with the points you can go to court and try to get it reduced. Don't bother with the wrong information tactic or try to say you weren't speeding. Go in asking to have the points taken away. I have done this many times. Most times, you speak to the officer in the court and he'll work out a deal with you before you see the judge. I've always had the points removed and even got some fines reduced by just being polite and respectful and not trying to BS them. They have so many cases each day that they usually have no problem working out deals with minor offenses to get them out of the door quickly.
You need to:
Find out if there are points
Find out if out of state points are transferable to your state
If either of these are a no, just pay it and move on.
If you can be tagged with the points you can go to court and try to get it reduced. Don't bother with the wrong information tactic or try to say you weren't speeding. Go in asking to have the points taken away. I have done this many times. Most times, you speak to the officer in the court and he'll work out a deal with you before you see the judge. I've always had the points removed and even got some fines reduced by just being polite and respectful and not trying to BS them. They have so many cases each day that they usually have no problem working out deals with minor offenses to get them out of the door quickly.
