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New skates - Bad sharpening/profile?

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I'm hoping some of you more educated skate sharpeners can help me solve this problem. I recently bought some new Bauer 180s to replace my one95s. The boot fit is great, two times on the ice and its like I'm in my one95s. However, the steel is where the problem lies. Im constantly finding myself with all my weight on my heels and nearly falling backwards with my feet slipping out from under me. I consider myself a strong skater played a high level of hockey growing up so I don't think that's where the problem lies.

Every time i have bought new skates ive just went with the basic sharpening I asked for that again this time when the sales rep asked me if i wanted them profiled. Being as I have never had them profiled or rockered before I figured this would be my safest bet. Do any of you guys know what I should go in and ask for to fix this problem? Do i ask them to more the rocker point back towards the heal? Do i change the profile to have less blade on the ice?

Thanks for the input,

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You want to ask for more forward pitch on the steel, that will put your body more forward and prevent you from feeling like you are going to fall backwards. I would not ask for a shorter profile unless you are catching your toes on crossovers or while turning.

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Find this on all the Supreme and APEX models. the boot is so stiff. Now the new Supremes are much better! But the blade is equal front and back so a slight pitch forward really helps. Its just a shame that the new runner is so small in the LS2 and the Fusion steel. Usually only measuring at 15/32nds of an inch or less. So after a profile and a couple sharpens your down to 13/32nds in no time and in need of new steel.

I heard a parent complain the other day that he used to use up 1 pair of steel a season and have the second near the end, this year he is on his 3rd set. Same sharpener all the time!

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I've had a lot of success going with a 2 or 3 forward pitch on the blades for guys who come in to my shop feeling like they are sitting too far back in their Supremes. The other option is to put heel lifts in. The obvious benefit to heel lifts is you can play around with the thickness of the lifts to get the right forward pitch, whereas if you wanted to play around with the pitch through profiling, you are obviously sacrificing a lot of blade life.

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I heard a parent complain the other day that he used to use up 1 pair of steel a season and have the second near the end, this year he is on his 3rd set. Same sharpener all the time!

I bet he wasn't complaining about how much lighter the skates were with less steel on it though.

Not sure why he wouldn't go with LS3 at that point too...

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I bet he wasn't complaining about how much lighter the skates were with less steel on it though.

Not sure why he wouldn't go with LS3 at that point too...

Because you cant in JR skates. or he would have, We just switched to LS2 and Step. Lets be honest here. There is very little performance improvement with the blade being lighter. If there was all NHL players would be using them.

I am sure someone could inform us how many players are using them in the NHL? I am willing to bet less then 10.

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Because you cant in JR skates. or he would have, We just switched to LS2 and Step. Lets be honest here. There is very little performance improvement with the blade being lighter. If there was all NHL players would be using them.

I am sure someone could inform us how many players are using them in the NHL? I am willing to bet less then 10.

Makes sense with the JR sizing.

Performance improvement or not, what are consumers and manufacturers pushing for in their new skates? Lighter, stiffer, more durable. Not that it's necessarily better, but if people want skates to continually be lighter then their predecessors, something's gotta give. Doesn't hurt that when people buy more sets of steel the manufacturers are making more money too.

Honestly, most customers I'm selling skates to don't tend to notice the difference in the amount of steel. But when they pick it up and say "holy crap this is light," it stands out that x skate with edge holders is better than x skate with regular holders, even if they don't think long term blade life.

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Hey man,

I switched from One95 to MX3, I felt a little different as well the first few times out. It took a few skates, but I felt great on fusion steel after some practice. I think you are adjusting to the slight increase in height on the holder as well as a new boot. The steel is probably less run down as well. I'm sure your old steel was well worn before from years of use. Just remember to bend your knees. Practice some one foot edges and tight turns your first 5-10 minutes on the ice. You will adjust quickly.

Also, once I felt comfortable I switched to ls3 steel and put in the Superfeet Yellow insoles. The Superfeet are the best upgrade you can make, I'd pay double for them if that were the price. The ls3 has more height also, so you wont have to worry about eating into the blade with a custom profiling. I skated with the ls3 a few times and went through a shorter adjustment process than the first time I was on the mx3's, and I really do like the ls3 steel more. It may be the Superfeet, but I feel like I have more edge and I feel in more control of them.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Oh and I profiled my ls3's to a 9ft radius, I did not ask for pitch. I really like where these skates have come together, plus I have learned so much. Thanks MSH.

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Makes sense with the JR sizing.

Performance improvement or not, what are consumers and manufacturers pushing for in their new skates? Lighter, stiffer, more durable. Not that it's necessarily better, but if people want skates to continually be lighter then their predecessors, something's gotta give. Doesn't hurt that when people buy more sets of steel the manufacturers are making more money too.

Honestly, most customers I'm selling skates to don't tend to notice the difference in the amount of steel. But when they pick it up and say "holy crap this is light," it stands out that x skate with edge holders is better than x skate with regular holders, even if they don't think long term blade life.

They may not notice the difference but luckily not being in retail at the store level I do not have to feel like I am ripping someone off selling them a blade that will wear out in 3 to 4 months. I would rather them get the season and have them back for a profile adjustment even if just to set back to stock at Xmas. Back in the Tuuk days you didn't see near as many guys going through steel and it was much easier to sharpen and stay sharp. IMO

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